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Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.08.08 16:44:00 - [1] Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 08/08/2010 16:44:03 Originally by: Sig Sour Some people get banned for exploits... some don't. There was never any question if Monkeysphere was using an exploit and didn't report it. CCP had to patch the game because his exploit was exposed. Why he was not banned like the people who did the moon goo exploit? Probably because he told CCP how he was doing it and helped them patch it. Even people who hack government computers get breaks for saying how they did it. My deepest sympathies. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.08.08 17:03:00 - [2] Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 08/08/2010 17:03:53 Originally by: Sig Sour Originally by: Professor Tarantula Probably because he told CCP how he was doing it and helped them patch it. Even people who hack government computers get breaks for saying how they did it. If he told them the exploit as soon as he found it, that would be ok. Killing macro ratters for over a year, some confident enough in their macros to run pretty sweet gear and Monkeysphere walked with that gear... I wouldn't get away with that, most people who play this game wouldn't. Most of us would be perma-banned. So really, why wasn't he perma-banned? Does it bother you that someone else can do something that you would be banned for doing? Would it bother you if CCP wasn't able to fix it, and instead of just him, there was people doing it everywhere you looked for weeks? In the interests of stopping a new exploit sometimes deals must be made. My deepest sympathies. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.08.08 17:14:00 - [3] Originally by: Soma Khan it certainly wasn't the monkeysphere who reverse-engineered the local exploit and bug-reported it to ccp Not sure how you know that, but i'm just offering a real world explaination of why hackers sometimes get let off the hook after they get caught. My deepest sympathies. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.08.08 17:36:00 - [4] Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 08/08/2010 17:39:45 Originally by: Cassandra Trotter While what he did was completely wrong, one of the main reasons that he did not get banned was that all the people he used the hack to kill, were also cheating via using bots / macros. Thus they could not report him without exposing themselves as cheaters. Not condoning what he did, but the macro ratters all deserve to die so he was doing all of eve a favor IMO. Is it even possible to make a Macro which hides when it sees someone else enter local, or have you thought this through? My deepest sympathies. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.08.08 17:52:00 - [5] Originally by: Raquel Trotter Originally by: Professor Tarantula Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 08/08/2010 17:39:45 Is it even possible to make a Macro which hides when it sees someone else enter local, or have you thought this through? Take a roam through any major alliance held 0.0 space and you will see them everywhere. I have seen them personally all over eve. Pretty frustrating to kill but its possible (without hacks i might add) if you put your mind to it, but very time consuming. Oh, It would be very possible to kill them without needing a no local hack, if they are truly using macros. In fact using such a thing would even be pointless. My deepest sympathies. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.08.08 18:08:00 - [6] Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 08/08/2010 18:08:29 Originally by: Raquel Trotter Please Explain.. You have gone from not understanding that Ratting macros exist to stating how you know it is possible to kill them... And why would it be pointless? Well you ignored my question about macros being able to watch local for anyone else entering the system, which was a good indication you don't really think about it much, and use the term 'macro user' freely for any quiet person that's around alot. If that didn't clear up the second question for you too, a no local hack would be pointless if macros don't run and hide whenever someone else enters the system, like actual people do. My deepest sympathies. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.08.09 12:33:00 - [7] Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 09/08/2010 12:33:59 Originally by: Raquel Trotter As stated, I have seen these personally, all over eve, and spend some time hunting, killing and reporting the players to ccp after I have killed their ships. I've seen people quietly going about their business everywhere too. Sometimes for many hours at a time. I don't think that makes them macro users, though, and my question remains unanswered. Originally by: Raquel Trotter The macros instantly warp to a safespot then cloak as soon as any other player enters local, way faster than any actual player could do it. Ahh, this must be the answer you've been talking about for so long. Glad it finally decided to make an appearance. I hope you understand if i don't go ahead and believe you can 'just know' when people are using macros. My deepest sympathies. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.08.09 16:40:00 - [8] I've always assumed this was somewhat known, but i'm starting to wonder. At any rate, i bring you The Monkeysphere. My deepest sympathies. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.08.13 17:18:00 - [9] Judging from Grath Telkin's posts, Pandemic Legion is associated with more botters than anyone. My deepest sympathies. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.

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